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First off, I get my political information from a number of different sources. The church is one, my own personal research is another, and I listen to what they have to say myself.

I have a number of issues with Obama that I don't agree with. I don't think abortion is right. As a matter of fact abortion is murder. But I will never make a decision on a political candidate based solely on that. That is only one strike against Obama from a christians perspective. I don't agree with higher taxes. We are taxed enough in this country, and the government gets enough as it is. And under Obama's plan, it will destroy our economy more than it already is, and send us into another depression. I also don't agree with taking money away from people that have earned it and giving it to people who have not earned it. (a.k.a. income redistribution) The democrat party has preached this for years. It isn't right. And eventually if this plan is put into play, quality for our medical services will go down. I don't think you will find that justified anywhere in the Bible, either. Another problem, I have with Obama is he hates our military. The democrats have for years. I also have a problem with a person who desires to be our commander in chief, wanting to be in charge of our military when he hasn't served himself.

I have more points than I could bring up, but I'll stop here. As a christian, the choice is clear to me, I will proudly support McCain/Palin because I believe they will govern as close to God's laws, more than Obama would.

Ambaaa wrote:I'm sorry; I am not exactly sure what you are saying. I just would like to understand your point a little bit better. Please correct me if I am stating this incorrectly but are you saying that laws passed against choices (such as having an abortion) will just cause an increased rate of abortions? If this is what you are stating then I was wondering what would be your opinion on what to do about issues that are incongruent with what the Lord says.

Teaching people the truth and not title it antiabortion or pro life. Bring them what the word says about an unborn child and even what science says about unborn children. Lots of these woman dont know that at a early stage an unborn child has its own unique heartbeat. Aswell the mental issue that are a side effect of an abortion. This is incongruent with what the lord says Jesus taught people and sacrificed for us. He showed us the way to change. We have to change peoples hearts. A gate only keeps out honest people. Im like whats next lets make a law that makes sex illegal before marriage. Making a law is the easy way out and will cause more social problems. It is much more profitable to change hearts not the law. Demand will create supply no matter what a laws says. Plus you have to remember God gives all free will. I want people to not want to have abortions rather than force with Police.

You said; “(I) Believe an increase of unwanted children and illegal abortions will be devastating in bringing about types of sin.”

My mom was a social wrker it will take me too long to name the problems cause by mothers who dont really want the child, Bad mothers. Along with that single parent homes.

Teaching Prayer and well funded well run community programs well do more.

I’m so glad to see so many people share their opinions! Here are a few points I’d like to make in response to some of your posts:

*Carl-

I just don't understand how anyone who calls themselve a Christian could vote for Obama.

Be careful how you word your opinions. We do not want to come condemn anyone and honestly, that statement is rather sharp. Share your opinions politely without demeaning others please

*atrinc-
I agree that there are many Christians who look at a handful (or less) of topics and base their decisions strictly on where candidates stand on those key points. There are many more things to look at in a potential candidate besides abortion and homosexuality like economic and foreign policy to name a few.

*Ambaa-

what would be your opinion on what to do about issues that are incongruent with what the Lord says.

That is a GREAT question. I know that for me personally there is a fine line between endorsing something I don’t agree with, and making a choice that I believe will better the country. I think that decision is a very tough one for people of many faiths with many issues at heart, and I don’t think it is the same ‘line’ for everyone. I know that you were specifically referring to abortion. I know people who base their vote solely on that one topic and I know other people who still consider abortion evil and ‘an abomination unto God’ but will vote for a pro-choice candidate. This seems hypocritical but one of their arguments is rather compelling: If we really are as close to the return of Jesus as we say we believe we are, do we really see abortion ending in America?

Since we are straying a bit from politics into a separate Abortion discussion I’ll open a new thread in the General section so that others can participate.

I usually stay away from the political games and debates, but I'd like to share something that lots of Christians tend to forget every 4 years or so. God is in control.

I'll first start off by saying that many people vote for candidates b/c of different convictions; political affiliation was # 1 until recently. Now race, and gender are part of the equation.

My experience shows that people tend to stick with what they are comfortable with. For example, many people vote strictly one party simply b/c that's what momma and daddy did. Others want to vote for Mr. Obama b/c he's black and they think he can identify with the "black man's struggle"(so he's the savior of Black America). Other's vote b/c of topics such as abortion, and homosexuality.

If I recall correctly, wanting man to lead your nation is one way Israel got in so much trouble. We are forgetting that as great of a nation that we live in, all of the greatness was allowed by God. I believe that we as Christians say that we trust God and that he's lord, but still have this screwed up idea that someone in the oval office is going to change things in America and the world.

Even though the president of the U.S. is considered by many as the most powerful man in the world. He/She has limilts. A president w/o congress is just a guy in a suit. Too much emphasis is put on if this person gets in office; this or that will change.

All politicians say what they will and won't do to gain votes. We are being lead by smooth words by charismatic people. No one has the best interest of the people in mind @ all times. No politician is going to "save the day"

Our trust and hope should be rooted in God. The church is the one group of people that should be unified. However, we fall into the same trap as the rest of the world by getting caught into political nonsense. Our role shouldn't be to debate the better candidate. We are the light and salt of the world.

We must rememember that even though good and wicked people lead the nation of Israel, God allowed them to rule for his purpose and plan which is far greater than we can see or fully understand.

According to the Bible as time goes on, things only gets worse until the return of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. No politician is going to save the world or ultimately make the world a better place. Don't let your personal fellings or convictions cloud the voice of the spirit. Don't be decieved by wolves in sheep clothing.

Vote for whomever you choose, but remember that whoever is elected needs God's covering. Politicians are people too, they sin and make stupid choices just like everyone else. Pray that God moves in the life and heart of the current and new president along with all of our government officials leading them to make decisions that will allow his plan to and will to be done on earth as it is in heaven.

In case you've missed recent debates, below are the links so you can catch up! also future debate info.

Presidential Debate w/ Obama and McCain
http://www.youdecide2008.com/2008/09/27/video-obama-mccain-debate-from-mississippi-9-26-08/

Vice-Presidential Debate w/ Biden and Palin
http://www.youdecide2008.com/2008/10/02/video-vice-presidential-debate-from-st-louis-mo-10-2-08-palin-biden/

Presidential Debate in Nashville 10/7/08
http://www.youdecide2008.com/2008/10/07/video-clips-from-the-presidential-town-hall-debate-october-7-2008/

Future Debate Info:

October 15, 2008: Presidential debate with domestic policy focus, Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY

The debate will begin at 9pm eastern, 6pm pacific time and last for 90 minutes. It will be aired on every major broadcast network such as CBS, NBC, ABC, and FOX.

Good thoughts Eddie. Thanks for posting.

No other Liberal network will have the background on Obama that Sean Hannity has researched and found. We need to know his know associations with Terrorist organizations and what he has said about our country before we go to the polls.

I agree we need to pray for whoever ends up being elected. I, however, believe that The Fox Network is the only one that does not have a bias in reporting the news and I can honestly say their interviews with Palin have been the only ones WITHOUT an agenda of making Sarah look stupid. They have let her speak without editing her content. As the world saw in the last debate, the woman is very intelligent when she is allowed to speak. I believe the other networks are just afraid of her.

This election is too important to not know all the facts of Obama. This is a dangerous man. Again, I encourage you to hear what Hannity has found on Obama that you won't hear from CBS, NBC, ABC or the Clinton News Network.

Thanks for the info Carl. If anyone wants to check out the reporter that Carl was referring to (Sean Hannity) here's a link to his site. Sean Hannity is a radio and television reporter affiliated with both FOX and ABC.

http://www.hannity.com/

Here's the Sean Hannity special on Obama that i believe Carl is refering to. There are 5 or 6 segements, but i only watched the first one. I'll admit that there are a few things about Obama's past that seem sketchy, but i also think that the case trying to tie him to radical groups (Black Panthers, Muslim Radicals, etc) is weak at best. Aren't we all six degrees away in any event?

Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_HZMD97nMw

Obama keeps blaming the failing market on President Bush.

If I remember correctly, it was President Clinton who signed the Fair Housing Act into law which initially opened the door for families who might or might not could afford to buy a house to be able to do so with lower standards having to be satisfied.

Now President Bush had the opportunity to correct the problem at once point, but he gave into pressure and did not follow through.

Given these facts, I would say that both parties share equal blame.

i'm not going to lie. all of this debate and these negative ads and those remarks and this news and that stuff seems to break my heart and turn me off to politics.

i really, really like what Eddie said from the start in this discussion. it's the truth. and that raises my hopes.

i think you can make either of these potential presidents and vice-presidents sound/look really good or really bad. it depends on who you are listening to.

i still don't know who i am going to vote for...but here is my voice:

yes, palin seems to be a more "real" Christian. she talks about the issues like homosexuality and abortion and she stands firmly against them. that's great. but if you are going to stand firm on those standards, stand firm on the others.

for example, her tax returns indicate that she did not tithe in 2007.

"In 2007, Sarah and Todd Palin donated $2,500 to charity in cash/check donations and $825 in non-cash/check donations, for a total of $3,325. This is 1.5% of their adjusted gross income."

-http://www.johnmccain.com/palinfinancial/

didn't God say the land was cursed because His people did not tithe? didn't he say we were robbing Him of what is His?

i'm not trying to bash palin, but i think we need to agree that just as obama is not the savior for Black America, sarah is not the savior for Christian America. Jesus is the savior for all of America. let's focus on Him more and less on the politicians.

just a thought, perhaps the Palin's did not report their tithe on the tax return. It's not a requirement to report these contributions to anyone.

I would just like to make this observation. George Bush has always been up front with what he believes and the fact that he is a devote Christian. While most Republicans claim to be Christians, we should not assume all are.

I could not tell you what McCain or Palin believe as far as God goes. What has attracted me to their cause is the fact that their values line up with God the most from everything that I have seen.

this is true. maybe they didn't report their tithe.

I think the main thing is to vote for the best candidates. No one is going to agree with anyone person 100%.

God is definitely in control and I believe whoever wins is given that position by God. We do, however, have a moral and civic responsibility to make an educated and prayerful vote.

Consider all the issues, economic, social, international, security, etc. You also have to look at the person's character, voting history, associations, and experience.

I fear many will vote based on words, celebrity status, race or gender and fail to take the time to really examine the candidate.

I think if we are going to look back at history as a nation we should consider all that is positive about this country, those who sacrificed for our freedoms, and the vision the founders had. We will never advance focusing only on negative. We must learn from our past but not dwell on it.

A wonderful new web site has been created for Sarah Palin supports. This lady has been so beat up by the Liberal media and I for one am thankful this site was created.

It's called TeamSarah.org. Check it out.