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Hey, I know I’m super late in my response to the previous posts but if anyone is out there reading, hey!

So this is directed to Bro. Nesbitt (Waaaasssssup!!!!!) 4 D’s and a Mop. You know what it is.

I stand firmly behind the belief that the Word of God “will not” support two opposing points of view. While it is true that people find scriptures to fit their beliefs, what is ultimately true is what God’s true intent was when He inspired his servants to say what they said. Now as I say that, what I believe differs in us is how the truths of God are applied to our individual lives. So within the body of Christ we will see the same truth of God change lives according to where a person is in life and their “walk” Hopefully, there is no difference between the two. (Lol)

So what I am saying is if the personal application of God’s word does not fit what He has said, then that application if flawed. Just because something functions does not mean it is being used properly.

As for Jews of the Old Testament, while I find it philosophically intriguing to have hours and hours of discourse on the meaning of God’s word, the presence of that much debating can always leave room for error. These same Jews are the same ones who did not recognize the Christ when he came before them in the flesh. This is after those continuous sessions of debating the very clues that should have shown explicitly who Jesus truly was. I’m not condeming the Jews for this, simply stating the facts.

Now for the record, my assertion was never that God, nor His Holy Word is wrong.

On the contrary, I believe Proverbs 30:5 when it says. “Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.”

Also, I agree that we each have our own filter, but that filter does not have the final say as to what is true. The Word of God is. Furthermore, your spiritual discernment comes from the Holy Spirit and our filter must be subject to Him.

At the risk of sounding repetitive, there is a multitude of ways to apply God’s truth to your life. With that in mind scripture teaches us in

1 Corinthians 1:10
“I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought”Again in 2 Corinthians 13:11
Finally, brothers, good-by. Aim for perfection, listen to my appeal, be of one mind, live in peace. And the God of love and peace will be with you.

As for the weaker brother principle, I do not believe it applies here. Yes there are things that are neither here nor there, that is to say that there are things that are acceptable for me but not for another brother or sister. Does hearing a certain song constitute sin for me? Does watching this movie constitute sin for me? These are things that I see causing another Christian to potentially compromise their relationship with Christ. In fact, once saved, each Christian must determine how to hold themselves accountable to God based upon where they are coming from in their life. And when I say that, I am speaking of things that are not explicitly designated sin by God in His Word.

So to sum it up, my mentally is not “my way or no way”, rather its” what does the Word say”. Again, how the Word impacts us will vary from saint to saint. But we can not focus on “what the Word means to me” without first finding out what God meant when He said it.

Thanks for your reply. I guess this is one of those things we can go around and around with…not that there’s anything wrong with that…

Let me try to understand your point of view. The word of God will never contradict itself and all seeming contradictions are inaccurate interpretations of man.
I hope that’s right.

My point of view is that scripture is the inspired Word of God and while it is undoubtedly accurate and flawless it is also written to talk over and discuss.

So… on the lack of contradictions in the Word we both agree. Sweet!

Maybe one day well actually talk about predestination. Ha Ha.

The question I have is where does scripture say that man has the ability to choose God? When does a sinful person find his or herself inclined to choose God over their sinful life?

As Far Deu 30:19 is concerned, obedience is never mentioned as a cause for salvation. In fact scripture states that obedience is impossible for the unregenerate man. Obedience is a sign of faith and relationship with God, is it not? And it is clear by the context that is choice is present to a group of people who are in relationship with God.

Johnson do you see Romans 8:29 as a sequence of events, or a list of characteristics?

In regards to 2 Peter 3:9 and in light of what scriptures says about our ability to approach God of our own will the "anyone" in the verse must be identified. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.


He is speaking to believers and one can only come to belief by the Soveriegn choice of God to allow him or her to do so. The anyone can not be inclusive of people outside of God's plan to do so.

Wow, bringing something back up from January!

Hey John Calvin... just kidding. But again, we are getting back into this debate of which we aren't going to solve it. I firmly believe that God wants EVERYONE to be saved. God so loved the WORLD that He gave His Son. I don't believe that God just wants to save some people & send the rest to Hell. That doesn't line up with my view of God or the God I see throughout scripture. I see a patient, jealous, loving God who wants us. I don't believe God's plan includes not choosing certain people. I fully believe that God chooses all people to know Him, but (and here's apparently where we disagree) I believe it falls on us to accept that invitation or not. Like Paul wrote, all have seen the glory of God revealed in one way or another & have decided to go their own way. We can choose, but most choose death. God didn't make us robots, but in His love gave us the ability to choose... it's free will. That's why there was sin & that's also (by God's grace) why there's repentance.

As far as the scripture questions... honestly, I'm too tired to answer those right now.